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- And we ain't seen nothin' yet! M2 and MX Macs yet to come, I have my Card ready.
Moi aussi.And we ain't seen nothin' yet! M2 and MX Macs yet to come, I have my Card ready.
In terms of performance, Yes.And we ain't seen nothin' yet! M2 and MX Macs yet to come, I have my Card ready.
in terms of sales, I doubt this crazy high growth rate can be maintained. Two main reasons:
1. When everyone is vaccinated I bet we see much less growth in tech spending
2. Apple has already upgraded about 90% of Mac unit volume to M1. While I personally am more interested in the iMac and Mac Pro, most folks buy the MBA, MBP13, or mini- Bad news for Surface Pro. Sorry Microsoft, it is a pity for your stupid compare-ads. Never compare with Apple
- Too bad Apple doesn't sell a branded monitor. 21.5' 4K and 27' 5K monitors with webcam, mic, speakers and an assortment of ports would have sold a lot of units to accompany all those Mac sales. I can understand stopping the WiFi routers, but not having a monitor is craziness. It's billions of dollars not taken, and it probably nicks at Apple's brand image with not-Apple monitors attached to their hardware to boot.
The sales estimate is indeed not as good as the headlines make it appear. Q1/Q2 2020 was depressed by supply chain issues at the start of the pandemic. For Q1 2021, the supply chain issues seemed to be mostly re-ramped out, with the current supply issues noted, increased demand for at-home work and at-home play, and the best low end Macs in the lineup in forever. These peaks and valleys would have been smoothed over in an alternate reality without a pandemic.
Apple has a bit freedom to go for marketshare with Apple Silicon. An A14 based SKU: an M1 divided by 2 with 2 p-cores, 4 GPU cores, 8 GB RAM, and 1 TB controller could make for fanless $500 Mac mini and an $800 MBA. That's getting pretty close to 'impulse' buy levels for a lot of folks. Really wonder what revenue-profit criteria they to make this decision.
I don't think it's all bad news for MS, considering most PC's / laptops sell with Windows pre-installed.Bad news for Surface Pro. Sorry Microsoft, it is a pity for your stupid compare-ads. Never compare with Apple- Apple silicon slides nicely into the market. Vastly improved performance - particularly the (former) graphics showstopper - at current price points triggers plenty of shopping genes. I certainly reconsidered both Air og Mini - both are suddenly relevant.
No worries for Apple - the Macs will do brilliantly.
With Intel out of the way they are in much much better control of the release strategy and are able to slip new hardware into the market when it suits Apple, be it sales that slips up or putting straight future iron clads with 0s and 1s from Squaretown.
It won't be 100% but still strong, especially when they introduce M2 and discount M1.
In terms of performance, Yes.And we ain't seen nothin' yet! M2 and MX Macs yet to come, I have my Card ready.
in terms of sales, I doubt this crazy high growth rate can be maintained. Two main reasons:
1. When everyone is vaccinated I bet we see much less growth in tech spending
2. Apple has already upgraded about 90% of Mac unit volume to M1. While I personally am more interested in the iMac and Mac Pro, most folks buy the MBA, MBP13, or mini
Ad 1. 😂 not gonna happen.- edited April 13
At 8% market share, Macs are an also ran. A yawn....
I don't think it's all bad news for MS, considering most PC's / laptops sell with Windows pre-installed.Bad news for Surface Pro. Sorry Microsoft, it is a pity for your stupid compare-ads. Never compare with AppleLenovo 17M, 25.1%
HP 21.4M, 21.4%Source: Gartner Grouphttps://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2021-04-12-gartner-says-worldwide-pc-shipments-grew-32-percent-in-first-quarter-of-2021* But Apple could change that equation by enabling the iPad to function as a true 2-in-1 machine. That would be a game changer. So far though, they have only pussy-footed around the edges, dipping their toes into the water. Timid doesn't get you anywhere. - At 8% market share, Macs are an also ran. A yawn....Dell 11.5M, 16.5%
Apple 5.6M 8.0%https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2021-04-12-gartner-says-worldwide-pc-shipments-grew-32-percent-in-first-quarter-of-2021* But Apple could change that equation by enabling the iPad to function as a true 2-in-1 machine. That would be a game changer. So far though, they have only pussy-footed around the edges, dipping their toes into the water. Timid doesn't get you anywhere.
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With the exemption of Thinkpads, the industry basically takes their design cues from Apple. On laptops they have done so since unibody arrived, Apple still owns the pad market and are comfy with iPhone. Wrt pads, Microsoft still has plenty of cleaning up to do in the structure of Windows (they spent years to get rid of Explorer), and they will not be able to compete (wrt technical efficiency on Arm) with *nixbased systems until they swap to Linux. Which they will do sooner or later. They got 4 legs and are dragging 2 of them.
I hardly believe Apple will outsell the Microsoft sphere on desktop/laptop, but Apple is happy with that. - edited April 13At 8% market share, Macs are an also ran. A yawn....Dell 11.5M, 16.5%
Apple 5.6M 8.0%https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2021-04-12-gartner-says-worldwide-pc-shipments-grew-32-percent-in-first-quarter-of-2021* But Apple could change that equation by enabling the iPad to function as a true 2-in-1 machine. That would be a game changer. So far though, they have only pussy-footed around the edges, dipping their toes into the water. Timid doesn't get you anywhere.
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With the exemption of Thinkpads, the industry basically takes their design cues from Apple. On laptops they have done so since unibody arrived, Apple still owns the pad market and are comfy with iPhone. Wrt pads, Microsoft still has plenty of cleaning up to do in the structure of Windows (they spent years to get rid of Explorer), and they will not be able to compete (wrt technical efficiency on Arm) with *nixbased systems until they swap to Linux. Which they will do sooner or later. They got 4 legs and are dragging 2 of them.
I hardly believe Apple will outsell the Microsoft sphere on desktop/laptop, but Apple is happy with that.The last time Apple led the way forward in laptops was January 2008 when Steve pulled the MacBook Air out of an envelope.Since then buying a laptop is a bit like buying a washing machine: Any color you want as long as it's white.
Unibody.The last time Apple led the way forward in laptops was January 2008 when Steve pulled the MacBook Air out of an envelope.Since then buying a laptop is a bit like buying a washing machine: Any color you want as long as it's white.
There's been significant improvements since then and Apple have been the driving force behind e.g screen quality, but the new shift of paradigm happened with the M1.
GeorgeBMac is thinking in different terms then you are.
Unibody.The last time Apple led the way forward in laptops was January 2008 when Steve pulled the MacBook Air out of an envelope.Since then buying a laptop is a bit like buying a washing machine: Any color you want as long as it's white.
There's been significant improvements since then and Apple have been the driving force behind e.g screen quality, but the new shift of paradigm happened with the M1.
It should be noted that the 2008 MBA was a failure, while the 2010 MBA models finally arrived at the right features and price points to really become successful. It became so successful that the MBA form factor can been seen in a lot of laptop models now, making the laptop market a bit homogeneous.That’s not Apple’s fault though. The market has reached maturity though.There is a push to 2 lb 13” laptops. Apple tried with the rMB. PC OEMs are trying. Still a question to me whether it will be a material benefit to the vast majority of the market. 4 to 3 lb, combined with 1” to 0.75” thickness, was big win. 3 to 2 lb and 0.75” to 0.5”? Not so sure. Perhaps our human hands can’t really appreciate it.Waiting on those folding displays to see how it goes.
Thinkpads were always the pro reference, MacBook unibody was the first to reach that level and beyond (TP keyboard is still better than MacBooks though), and therefore it was a big turning point. Agree that Air was a game changer wrt portability, but they always came up quite a bit short on the graphics side, and dual core cpu retirement was long overdue. Prior to Air virtually all light and small laptops were flimsy and weak in structure and specs. We got abt 60 lightweights, and I believe 58 of them failed. I traded mine asap for a TP that I could trust before the rest realised that they were carrying cr#p.GeorgeBMac is thinking in different terms then you are.
It should be noted that the 2008 MBA was a failure, while the 2010 MBA models finally arrived at the right features and price points to really become successful. It became so successful that the MBA form factor can been seen in a lot of laptop models now, making the laptop market a bit homogeneous.That’s not Apple’s fault though. The market has reached maturity though.There is a push to 2 lb 13” laptops. Apple tried with the rMB. PC OEMs are trying. Still a question to me whether it will be a material benefit to the vast majority of the market. 4 to 3 lb, combined with 1” to 0.75” thickness, was big win. 3 to 2 lb and 0.75” to 0.5”? Not so sure. Perhaps our human hands can’t really appreciate it.Waiting on those folding displays to see how it goes.
To me, 3-4 lbs is a sensible limit. Whatever they can shave off below that I want filled with more Wh. Pretty sure there will be new MacBook designs soon, it made sense to run the first M1 series in old chassises.
Apple Silicon is a revolution in terms of the combo performance/graphics/battery, and they will probably be able to cut further down on power consumption by both sw/hw optimisation and more efficient screens. 2 thunderbolt ports needs to become 4 though.
GeorgeBMac is thinking in different terms then you are.
Unibody.The last time Apple led the way forward in laptops was January 2008 when Steve pulled the MacBook Air out of an envelope.Since then buying a laptop is a bit like buying a washing machine: Any color you want as long as it's white.
There's been significant improvements since then and Apple have been the driving force behind e.g screen quality, but the new shift of paradigm happened with the M1.
It should be noted that the 2008 MBA was a failure, while the 2010 MBA models finally arrived at the right features and price points to really become successful. It became so successful that the MBA form factor can been seen in a lot of laptop models now, making the laptop market a bit homogeneous.That’s not Apple’s fault though. The market has reached maturity though.There is a push to 2 lb 13” laptops. Apple tried with the rMB. PC OEMs are trying. Still a question to me whether it will be a material benefit to the vast majority of the market. 4 to 3 lb, combined with 1” to 0.75” thickness, was big win. 3 to 2 lb and 0.75” to 0.5”? Not so sure. Perhaps our human hands can’t really appreciate it.Waiting on those folding displays to see how it goes.Yeh, so Apple (and lots of the rest of the laptop market) simply coalesced around Steve's 2008 MBA (yeh, its been refined since then).Apple has the potential to shake things up again with the M1 processor by blending the iOS infrastructure in with the laptop paradigm. But so far it's merely been a processor swap giving it a bit more power with less energy wasted - an incremental improvement.Hopefully Apple will take advantage of the M1 and use it to produce a new standard in the computing market -- most likely where the separate world's of laptop and tablet computing merge and, instead of fighting against each other, competing with each other, they converge to offer the best of both to the world. And, as you point out, folding displays bay be part of that too.- Not overly enthusiastic abt pad/laptop combo, but if anyone, Apple could do it. Microsofts attempt with tiles failed miserably because they tried to combine form factors that don't really blend with one ux. Imho they failed first on the platforms the ux was best suited (mobile/pads) because it got such a miserable reputation on the platforms it didn't work (desktop/laptop). Thinkpads have a long history of Laptop/Pad combos that failed, and that got quite a bit to do with the ux.
Apple kept each ux where it was best suited, which is one of the reasons that the pads dominates now. The split between iPhone and iPad OS was a good idea. Make the best possible ux for the intended usage of the device.
Now, the Apple OS family is in far better shape and way better suited for combos than Windows thanks to the *nix concept and the work Apple has done. But one still will need differences to the ux of different form factors. If there's a merge between formfactors within the Apple sphere it's more likely that the continue that work with the pads as the basis, than morphing the MacBooks.
Shure, pads are preferable while commuting and laptops for portability, but for most heavy production work it will still be more productive thus preferable with a suitable big monitor and a proper keyboard for quite some time. I would surely like to get down from 4 to 3 devices, and the one I want to get rid of is the MacBook Pro. I would like to keep iPhone (mini), iPad (with keyboard) and Mac/Mac Mini/(iMac if they arrive with a 32+ screen). But the iPad ux and apps are not quite ready for that. Yet. It will.
Are you assuming that creating a 2 in 1 device means that both OS's will suffer?Not overly enthusiastic abt pad/laptop combo, but if anyone, Apple could do it. Microsofts attempt with tiles failed miserably because they tried to combine form factors that don't really blend with one ux. Imho they failed first on the platforms the ux was best suited (mobile/pads) because it got such a miserable reputation on the platforms it didn't work (desktop/laptop). Thinkpads have a long history of Laptop/Pad combos that failed, and that got quite a bit to do with the ux.
Apple kept each ux where it was best suited, which is one of the reasons that the pads dominates now. The split between iPhone and iPad OS was a good idea. Make the best possible ux for the intended usage of the device.
Now, the Apple OS family is in far better shape and way better suited for combos than Windows thanks to the *nix concept and the work Apple has done. But one still will need differences to the ux of different form factors. If there's a merge between formfactors within the Apple sphere it's more likely that the continue that work with the pads as the basis, than morphing the MacBooks.
Shure, pads are preferable while commuting and laptops for portability, but for most heavy production work it will still be more productive thus preferable with a suitable big monitor and a proper keyboard for quite some time. I would surely like to get down from 4 to 3 devices, and the one I want to get rid of is the MacBook Pro. I would like to keep iPhone (mini), iPad (with keyboard) and Mac/Mac Mini/(iMac if they arrive with a 32+ screen). But the iPad ux and apps are not quite ready for that. Yet. It will.
Not necessarily. MS and others seamlessly switch between full laptop mode and tablet mode without compromising either. Apple could do the same. And, now that they are driving both with essentially the same processor, that becomes much more doable.- I'm sure Apple have been playing with 2-1´s for years already, and the changes in Big Sur should be construed evidence of that. It does already prove Apple silicon/feasability. A.o. the adaptation of apps.edited April 14
They will bake in functionality from one to the other, but my point is that you will not use the same ux. You may use 'the same' os, but a different ux. Basically what Apple does now - with some major adjustments.
Everybody saw how it went when MS tried to use the same ux on all formfactors. I believe they would still have been In the business of selling MS mobiles (and pads) and doing well with them if they had left out laptops and desktops when tiling up.
Still some miles to go B4 Microsoft nails it. - Yes, different input methods or the primary method for input being different necessarily means different UI to get it right. For the foldables, I think the best path is probably adding necessary features to iPadOS to really make computing easier. Apple will have to put in the work to make the UI of their Pro apps for multi-touch, and other complex app makes will have to do the same. This transition is going to be a lot harder than a chip ISA switch though. It would probably work if they used macOS as an OS for a foldable, but for a lot or most situations, people would have to use a mouse or trackpad for those complex apps. If so, is it materially better or different?
The foldable concept is to use it like a laptop with the bottom half displaying virtual keyboards, trackpads and stylus; fold it open or flat, put it on a dock/stand vertically and use it like a desktop with external displays, keyboards and pointing devices; have it lay flat on table and use it like a large tablet with stylus, virtual keyboards and trackpads; connect it to an external display and use it as an input device; and, fold it 360° and use it in on a couch or bed like smaller tablet.
A model that is folded in half to a 13' 4:3 sized display will unfold along the long edge to a 18.5' 3:2 sized display. About 3 lb. Interesting to think about. It will need to have coating to make wiping fingerprints off super easy.
Anyways, not sure robust and durable display covers for foldables will beat AR glasses to the market. AR glasses that can display a virtual display with legible small font text? Game changer.
Gartner and IDC have both issued their estimates of PC shipments for Q3 2020, and both report Mac shipments up year-on-year. Both also agree that Apple increased its market share during the year.
As always with market intelligence firms, the exact numbers vary, but the two companies agree on the core story …
Both agree on four things:
- Apple held its #4 ranking despite competition from Acer and ASUS
- Apple shipments increased significantly over Q3 2019
- Apple increased its market share measurably
- Lenovo, HP and Dell retain the top three slots
Apple sits between Dell and Acer in terms of market share:
- Lenovo
- HP
- Dell
- Apple
- Acer
- ASUS
Both also agree that shipments would have been even higher for PC manufacturers were it not for component shortages created by the coronavirus crisis.
Gartner: “While PC supply chain disruptions tied to the COVID-19 pandemic have been largely resolved, this quarter saw shortages of key components, such as panels, as a result of this high consumer demand.”
IDC: “Had the market not been hampered by component shortages, notebook shipments would have soared even higher during the third quarter as market appetite was yet unsatiated. Unfortunately, shortages of multiple components, such as processors, panels, and other subcomponents, led to missed opportunity for many vendors.”
IDC paints a far rosier picture for Apple. It has Macs enjoying 38.9% growth, from 4.96 million sales in Q3 2019 to 6.89M in the same quarter this year. Apple’s market share increased, it says, from 7% to 8.5%.
Gartner estimates far lower growth, reporting Mac shipments up 7.3%, from 5.14 million Macs in Q3 last year to 5.51M this year. It puts Apple’s market share at 7.7%, up from 7.5%.
The differing shipment estimates cannot be explained other than using different data sources. Estimating these numbers is always an inexact science, using a variety of public and survey data sources. Where it comes to market share, the two companies do use different definitions for ‘personal computers.’ Neither counts iPads, but IDC excludes ‘detachable tablets and slate tablets,’ which implies it doesn’t count Microsoft Surface models. Gartner explicitly includes the Surface.
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While the pandemic hampered the supply side, it boosted demand.
Gartner: Consumer demand for PCs due to home entertainment and distance learning needs during the ongoing pandemic, along with the strongest growth the U.S. PC market has seen in 10 years, drove the global market momentum. “This quarter had the strongest consumer PC demand that Gartner has seen in five years,” said Mikako Kitagawa, research director at Gartner. “The market is no longer being measured in the number of PCs per household; rather, the dynamics have shifted to account for one PC per person.”
IDC: “Consumer demand and institutional demand approached record levels in some cases,” said Jitesh Ubrani research manager for IDC’s Mobile Device Trackers. [In the US,] the traditional PC market witnessed yet another extraordinary quarter posting strong double-digit shipment growth. Preliminary results reflect continued strong buyer sentiment fueled by stay-at-home PC needs and resultant inventory replenishment.
We’re not expecting an Apple Silicon Mac launch in today’s event – that will likely happen next month – but there’s an outside chance we’ll get some kind of update or teaser from Apple. The company did yesterday reference the fact that it thinks of applications for multiple devices when designing its chips.
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